10 Questions with iLL-Literacy
Just before iLL-Literacy rocked the joint at the 3rd annual Trinity International Hip Hop Festival, we had a chance to get some insight from this talented and diverse group of spoken word / hip hop artists.
Tell us a little about your backgrounds and how you got into hip hop and spoken word.
Ruby: I started off as a writer, engaged in writings from poets like Langston Hughes. When I reached college, my passion for poetry grew alongside my newfound social and political awareness, and spoken word was the perfect medium to bridge those two vital elements together. I was introduced to spoken word during my first year in college when I met Adriel, and we formed iLL-Lit in 2001.
Adriel: I got into hip-hop right before Pac died, which was a really crazy experience…because here I was as an early teen in the late 90’s, with everyone dancing around in shiny suits and getting jiggy with it. Don’t get me wrong…it was fun and I loved it, but still I had some distant memory of things being different, and of hip-hop being something that I could relate to on a deeper level than exploding Benzes and shit. Then the Roots came out with "Things Fall Apart," and the Black Star album right after, which introduced me to a whole other scene which at the time was considered "experimental." That sense made me feel like it was okay to create stuff that I could relate to, rather than fitting a mold. Spoken word came around shortly and I fell in love and haven’t stopped since.
Dahlak: My older brother got me into hip-hop when I was like 11. When I was about 12 or 13, I decided that I didn’t want to be just a spectator. I started writing, freestyling, and performing as much as I could. I really developed my skills in my teens. So when I started to hear about spoken word when I was 17, it just fit me perfectly. I been doing both ever since.
Nico: I started writing young. I would watch my older cousin freestyle and wanna be down. The turning point for me though, was eighth grade when aquemini dropped. We use to have school wide talent shows and I would always imagine myself spittin big boi’s verse on "skew it on the bar-b". I been trying to do that ever since, in a sense.
How did you all come together to form iLL-Literacy?
Ruby: We wanted to create a forum for artists on our campus, UC Davis, so we formed iLL-Literacy, where, during our peak, we swelled to a 15 person collective. After we graduated, Adriel, Dahlak, and myself were the ones who decided to take it on and carry it through as a profession. When we met Nico through YouthSpeaks, a spoken word non-profit we were all involved in, the cipher was complete. It’s been history every since.
How do you see hip hop and spoken word intersecting?
Dahlak: I don’t look at them as seperate things. To me, spoken word is inherently hip-hop. It’s an extension of hip-hop. An "unofficial" element.
Adriel: I actually see spoken word as its own entity, but definitely a close relative to hip-hop (but in the same way that jazz and afrobeat are…no more, no less). Spoken word and hip-hop require instant and aggressive affirmation from an audience, and I think that’s pretty unique to the genres. Recently with Def Poetry and artists like Saul Williams and Ursula Rucker it’s apparent that the two have been naturally grouped together. But at the same time you see Saul venturing into rock, and George Clinton was playing around with spoken word as far back as the late 60’s, so spoken word has definitely been infiltrating different mediums of music long before its pairing with hip-hop.
You’re a very diverse group. Tell us about your heritage/backgrounds.
Ruby: Yes, we are! Our diversity in our backgrounds is what I’m one of the things I’m most proud of – our diversity offers people a wide spectrum of perspectives that would not normally be heard all at once, and our solidarity stands for a united struggle. Adriel is Chinese, Dahlak’s parents
are from Trinidad and Eritrea, Nico is Black and Chinese, and I’m Filipina and Chinese. So as you can see, we definitely have a lot of history rooted in different places in the world. We do our best to offer our audience our view points coming from where we are from.
Adriel: Yeah, ethnically there’s a bit of a spectrum, and I think it speaks to a lot of people, especially in this country where most people don’t live in a strictly black and white world anymore. At the same time, I think people are actually drawn to how suprisingly similar we are…we were all raised in northern California, and being on the road much, we’ve all picked up everyone else’s mannerisms. Like before Dahlak looked sideways at sushi and now he goes off to get some when the rest of us are getting pizza…and Nico’s pants have lost much of their bagginess…and I catch myself doing everyone’s facial expressions. And Ruby used to go to sleep whenever the rest of us would do our "Illmatic vs. Reasonable Doubt" debates, now she’s got more Jay-Z references in her poems than the rest of the us combined.
Where have you all traveled to perform? What have been the most exciting places?
Ruby: All over the country, mostly in college/university circuits. The big cities: NY, Atlanta, LA, Bay, Seattle, Chicago, Philly, but also states like Vermont, Virginia, Alabama, who don’t normally see very many Black and Asian people interacting. My favorite destination however, is hands down, Paris, France. I’m looking forward to the opportunity to perform in the Philippines someday soon too.
Nico: I would just add, touring mostly in the college circuit, I always have the most fun in small towns and cities I’ve never heard of. The experience is always new, and each pocket of the country has its own culture for us to learn.
What has been the response to your performances outside the USA? Was that surprising to you?
Dahlak: I was surprised by how much they understood some things I was saying and how much they didn’t understand other things. Really helped me to shape my perception of my American identity. My black identity.
Adriel: I went to the UK this past summer kind of on a quest…I had heard that spoken word was given more room to "breathe" over there because hip-hop isn’t as big and therefore the two genres aren’t categorized together. And getting out to London definitely proved that to be true. There were poets out there that were deeply influenced by jazz, garage, and even heavy metal! It worked out really nicely though…I got to see a bunch of different styles that I had never imagined before, and the style that I have and that I thought EVERYONE was used to was new to the folks out there.
What can we expect from an iLL-Literacy performance?
Ruby: Interactive, head noddin, spoken word poetry in dialogue with, NOT talking to the audience. iLL-Literacy’s style is unique in that we fuse elements of poetry, hip hop theater, stand up comedy, and music in our sets, so we keep it moving and bouncing. We approach serious issues in an
angle that makes it more accessible by using conversational tones, humor, but also intensity and vulnerability. We aim to keep everyone engaged and present.
Dahlak: Edu-tainment!
Nico: Like whoa.
Adriel: Honestly, I don’t even know what to expect! Within the past year we’ve developed from doing open mic-style rotation sets to off-Broadway theater productions to wannabe acapella hip-hop-styled poetry sets to full-length music sets with a full funk band. We’re always trying to figure out how to do new shit…next week Nico might call us up and say he wants to start using lasers and mermaids, and at the following show you’ll probably see it happen.
What issues are important to you and do you weave into your lyrics/poems?
Ruby: I write from the heart, so a lot of what I write is introspective and reflective. I take the big picture and find how I, as a 24 year old Filipina American woman who lives, laughs, loves, hurts, and grows can fit into the world. I write a lot of love, of self-growth, concepts of beauty, gender inequality.
Dahlak: When I write for a spoken word perfomance, the themes are very socially charged. My music is more personal to me. I aim my music at the heart and my poetry at the head.
Nico: My starting place is family, although much of that writing doesn’t make it into spoken word performances. Most of my poetry attempts to unpack social and political issues of the immediate now, mostly for myself and largely unsuccessfully. Also, in one way or another, I always come back to the disposable quality of black life in America and the world. That’s poetry, my music on the other hand is sometimes more "ignint". Holla.
Where do you find your inspiration?
Ruby: From reading books, from music. I’m currently influenced by Janelle Monae, Outkast, MIA, Santogold, and always by Stevie Wonder and Mary J.Blige. I also find myself blessed to be friends with all my favorite artists – I’m more influenced by my friends’ work than anyone else, truthfully. I know their art on a more personal level, so the inspiration hits harder. I have an amazing community!
Dahlak: I find my inspiration from the people I want to reach. My friends inspire me to write about my experiences in Sac. Bill O’Reilly inspires me to communicate something to white people who think he makes sense.
Nico: I eat music like I eat coffee. Need ‘em both. Beyond most legal stimulants and Lil Wayne, I find myself constantly inspired by the people I want to reach and learn from (like Dahlak) and the small community of writers, students, educators, and artists I belong to.
Adriel: Music from other people that I wish I had made.
What are your future goals, plans, aspirations?
Ruby: I want to pursue a career in television, as a VJ, where I can reach a wider audience through art, fashion, and music. I want to be an example of a true heartfelt artist reclaiming art and music amidst all of the polluted noise we find in popular media. I am also looking forward to finishing and releasing my very first book, Miss Universe, do out later this year, and most importantly, to reach youth, spark change, take part in the movement, build progress with my community, and represent hella, hella hard for Filipino people worldwide!
Dahlak: To continue to make beautiful art with beautiful people. Maybe spark a couple of minds in the meantime…
Nico: If I could get some of those, that’d be great. My future plans for the now though, do it moving, maybe put out a mixtape, and if I’m lucky, perhaps begin a national dialogue that recognizes the commonality in struggles for liberation across liberation struggles. Shadidi.
Adriel: Mainly, I want to make Asian kids feel cool. And for everyone else, I just want to keep on coming out with work that people have never seen or heard…never even imagined. But I want it to be hot, and not go over peoples’ heads. But hey, we’re SPOKEN WORD artists so we thrive completely on engaging in conversation with the people, which keeps us grounded. I want to destroy that whole concept of poets being super-abstract and off in their own world…that’s when stuff starts being difficult to understand, and as a result difficult to feel. I mean, I definitely want to be off in some other world but I’m trying to take as many as you mothafuckas with me.
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